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White Collar: Fic: A Discreet Intervention

  • May. 25th, 2016 at 9:53 AM
Title: A Discreet Intervention
Fandom: White Collar
Rating: G
Length: ~2400 words
Notes: Gen set during 1.01, for [livejournal.com profile] wc_rewatch. (Slight spoilers for 1.02.) A million thanks to [livejournal.com profile] mergatrude for beta. <3 <3 <3
Summary: “You’re Elizabeth Burke.” The woman shoved her hands into her pockets. “I’m Kate. Kate Moreau.”


El was at her florist’s, discussing table centerpieces for an upcoming wedding, when she caught one of the customers near the roses watching her in the mirror behind the counter. The young woman looked vaguely familiar—straight brown hair, pale skin, slim—but El couldn’t place her, and the woman averted her gaze and left soon after. It was probably nothing.

The consultation over, El left to head back to the Burke Premiere showroom, but halfway down the block, someone grabbed her arm and yanked her into the shadow of a newsagent stand. El tightened her grip on her handbag and jerked her arm free, turning to yell at her assailant, but when she saw who it was, she stopped, startled. She’d been grabbed by the customer from the florist’s store, wearing sunglasses now, but definitely the same woman. El glared. “Do I know you?”

“You’re Elizabeth Burke.” The woman shoved her hands into her pockets, not the least bit apologetic.

El stood up straighter. Including her heels, they were about the same height, and El didn’t feel threatened, but she also didn’t appreciate being manhandled. “You’re following me.”

“I’m Kate. Kate Moreau.” Her chin came up. “Can we talk?”

Oh. El’s indignation evaporated. In one week, Neal Caffrey was being released into Peter’s custody as his criminal informant. And much as El knew she should refer Kate to Peter, if she had information about Neal, El’s own curiosity overrode that option. “Well… I suppose I could use a cup of coffee.”

There was a Starbucks across the street. They went in, Kate trailing a few yards behind, and while El was ordering, Kate chose a table away from the window. She sat with her back to the wall and a clear sightline to the door, and only then pushed her sunglasses onto the top of her head. El sat opposite and reassessed her: Kate was tense and wary but hiding it well. Older than she seemed from a distance—maybe late twenties. “Do you need help?”

Kate shook her head, then grimaced. “I need a favor.”

“Shouldn’t you be talking to my husband?”

“It’s not safe.” Kate picked up the coffee El had bought her and wrapped her hands around it as if she were chilled. “I can’t talk to the FBI.”

“I’m happy to pass on a message,” offered El, but Kate shook her head again. El decided not to argue. “What’s the favor?”

“Take care of Neal.” Kate met her eye, her gaze blue and compelling. “Be on his side.”

El bit back her instinctive response—that if there were sides to be taken, she’d be on Peter’s; she’d always be on Peter’s—and offered Kate sympathy. “You still love him.”

Kate ducked her head and didn’t reply.

“Tell me about him,” said El. “I only know what Peter’s told me from the case file. What’s he really like?”

Kate licked her lips and started to talk, hesitantly at first, and obviously careful not to incriminate either of them in any crimes, focusing instead on their personal relationship. She painted a picture of a brilliant, passionate, ambitious young man with a hunger for the finer things in life, and by halfway through the conversation, El could already see problems looming in Peter and Neal’s upcoming partnership. Peter believed in starting from the bottom and working to earn concessions, but Neal didn’t sound like the type to be kept in line with rules and hardship. If anything, El guessed deprivation would only make him restless and rebellious, and a restless Neal Caffrey could wreak havoc, not just with his own work release but with Peter’s career, with their lives.

“Thank you for telling me about him,” she told Kate. “I’ll do what I can.”

“If you need to get in touch with me, email me at this address.” Kate slid a slip of paper across the table. There was no name on it, just In Case of Emergency and an address consisting of a long string of gibberish at gmail.com. “Don’t tell Neal we spoke.”

The “or Peter” was implicit, and El had no intention of sharing this particular conversation with Peter anyway. It wouldn’t do any good—he’d tell her that Kate was implicated in many of Neal’s crimes and couldn’t be trusted.

El already knew that. She didn’t trust Kate, but she did believe her. She tucked the emergency email into her purse and stood up. “Good luck.”

“You go first,” said Kate. She’d relaxed while talking about Neal, but now the wariness snapped back into place. “We shouldn’t be seen together.”


*


Peter worked late that night, but the next night, over dinner, El casually asked how preparations were going for Neal’s release. “Where will he be staying?”

Peter grimaced. “That’s another headache—there’s no budget for accommodation. They expect me to house him for seven hundred a month.”

“In Manhattan.” El’s heart sank. “What are you supposed to do, rent him a parking space?”

“Exactly.” Peter rubbed his temple. “I thought he was going to end up on a bench in Central Park, but Di found a hotel.”

“For seven hundred.” El bit her lip. Apparently Kate had been right to be concerned. “How bad is it? Is it even safe?”

Peter looked grim, then sighed and shrugged. “It will build character. Neal could use a reality check. Frankly, that’s the least of my worries. There’s already pushback from the higher ups. Hughes has been told to proceed with extreme caution, and the marshals are trying to palm off responsibility for the anklet onto the Bureau. If Neal so much as sneezes—”

“You know, hon, we have a spare room.” El said it neutrally, torn between pity for Neal and Kate and reluctance to give up the privacy of their family home, but the thought of Neal, newly out of prison, dumped in some fleapit hotel, which was no doubt populated with criminals, drug addicts and other desperate souls down on their luck—that was a recipe for disaster. And it wasn’t fair. At least prison was clean.

But Peter shook his head. “I’m not bringing him home. He’s a felon, not a pet. Anyway, there’s no chance Hughes would authorize that kind of arrangement, trust me.”

He said it as if he’d already floated the idea and been shot down.

El refilled his wineglass and topped up her own. “So, where exactly is this fleapit reality check?”

Peter blinked and gave her a serious look. “Honey, this is Neal Caffrey we’re talking about. You can’t get invested.”

El nodded. “No, I know. It’s none of my business.”

She let him change the subject.

But she couldn’t let it rest. The Bureau might think the best way to manage Neal was to keep him down, and Peter might have no choice but to go along with that, but the FBI’s attitude to criminals was, by necessity, less than sensitive. For Peter’s sake, and for Kate’s, El had to intervene. So later that night, while Peter was brushing his teeth, she dipped into his briefcase for Neal’s file, and found the address of the hotel in question.

She’d stop by tomorrow and check it out herself. Maybe it wouldn’t be that bad. It might be exactly what Neal needed.


*


It was worse than El had imagined. Just pushing through the front door made her feel dirty. Depression and damp seemed to hang in the air. Even Satchmo would have baulked at sleeping there.

El backed out, wiped her hands on her skirt and went back to work, determined to find a solution. Peter had enough on his plate with all the red tape and the Dutchman case; she’d handle it herself.

That afternoon, she was going over a guest list for a charity event, still mulling Neal’s predicament in the back of her mind, when a possibility occurred to her. She made a couple of calls, with some discreet enquiries, and that afternoon she visited a certain well-appointed residence on Riverside Drive.

“Mrs. Ellington,” she said, shaking her hostess’s hand. “I’m Elizabeth Burke. We met at the winter charity auction last year.”

“I remember. Won’t you come in,” said Mrs. Ellington. “And please, call me June.”

El relaxed. June was precisely as she recalled: smart and stylish, with a mischievous twinkle in her eye. Even if she rejected El’s suggestion out of hand, she wouldn’t take offence or gossip far and wide. El allowed herself to be ushered into the parlor and accepted June’s offer of tea. They made small talk until the refreshments arrived—including some exquisite home-made macaroons—and then, when they were alone again, June leaned forward.

“Now, my dear, I can tell this isn’t merely a social call. What can I do for you?”

El donned her best conspiratorial grin. “I have a—an unorthodox proposition. You live alone, don’t you?”

“Most of the time, apart from my staff. My granddaughter is at art school, and she stays with me during her vacations. Why do you ask?”

“I don’t know if you’re aware my husband works for the FBI.”

June’s expression remained polite, but her demeanor cooled noticeably. She said nothing, waiting.

El hurried on, explaining about Neal and his imminent work release. “As you might imagine, the FBI’s accommodation budget is somewhat lacking. There’s a hotel, but—” She wrinkled her nose. “From what I know, he’s extremely personable. And obviously, you’d want to meet him before you decided anything, but if you should decide to help him, I’m willing to supplement his stipend with services rendered.”

June arched a delicate eyebrow. “Such as?”

“Event management,” said El. “For your charitable enterprises. At cost.”

“My dear, that’s an exceptionally charitable offer in itself. May I enquire as to your interest in the matter?” She eyed El shrewdly. “I don’t think you’re here on behalf of your husband or the FBI.”

“No.” El let out an awkward laugh. “I’m actually hoping Peter never finds out I’ve interfered. But Neal has already served four years. He escaped for love, didn’t hurt or threaten anyone in the process, and he was free less than eight hours before the FBI sent him back to prison with a broken heart. And he was sentenced to another four years as a result. I believe in the law, but I also think it can be cruel.”

June regarded her over her bone china teacup. “You like him.”

“I’ve never met him,” admitted El. “But Peter likes him, and I trust his judgement.” She relayed some of what Kate had told her about Neal, his ambition and expensive tastes. “And you see, my husband is a good man, but his work ethic is rather strict. So I suppose I feel it’s in everyone’s interest to make sure Neal isn’t tempted to—improve his situation using his old methods, if you know what I mean.”

June’s smile was warm again now, if a little wry. “You’re aware you may be being conned as we speak.”

El had considered the possibility, but Kate had come to her without any prompting from Neal; if they were in contact, Peter would know. “A con requires deception. This—this is charity.”

“They’re not always mutually exclusive, you know,” said June, with a shake of her head. “One final question: why come to me?”

“Forgive me,” said El. “I’ve heard the rumors about your late husband. I thought you might be sympathetic. And having met you, I was pretty sure you could handle yourself—and keep Neal in line, too, if it comes to that.”

June looked pleased. “Well, I’ll certainly take that as a compliment.” She tapped her manicured thumbnail against her teacup thoughtfully. “I suppose there’s no harm in meeting the man. How shall we arrange it?”


*


That evening when they were walking Satchmo, El asked Peter, “Does the FBI give its CIs an allowance?”

Peter was cleaning up after Satchmo. He stood and eyed El suspiciously. “You’re taking an active interest in Neal’s release. What’s going on?”

“I’m just looking at it from his point of view. Didn’t all his possessions end up in evidence? He’s going to have a hard time concentrating on helping you catch the Dutchman if he’s worried about feeding and clothing himself for a new job where everyone’s watching him, waiting for him to screw up.”

Peter looked tired, the lines on his face more pronounced than usual. He pulled Satch away from a hydrant with a touch of impatience. “As long as he’s decent, no one’s going to care what he’s wearing.”

“Hon.” Even Peter couldn’t really believe that. “Appearances are important, especially for someone like Neal Caffrey.”

“He’s there to work, not run cons.” Peter shook his head firmly. “He doesn’t have to make an impression. It’s better if he doesn’t.”

El sighed, giving in. “Well, maybe he can find something decent at a thrift store.”

“That’s right.” Peter sounded relieved.

They turned the corner into their street. Almost home. “I heard the Goodwill on West 79th Street has a good selection.”

Peter stopped. “Oh, you heard that. El—”

“I know, I know, don’t get invested.” She took his arm, quashing her guilty conscience, and smiled up at him innocently. A word here, a listening ear there: she’d hardly done anything. Peter was still watching her with a frown, and El made a face. “Okay, it’s possible I may be a little bit invested.”

Peter sighed heavily and lowered his voice. “Between you and me, I know what you mean.”

El’s breath caught, and she squeezed his arm. It was inevitable Peter’s protective instincts would come to the fore sooner or later, and she loved him for it, but hearing him admit it aloud still gave her pause. His job was on the line; if his affections were also at risk, the whole enterprise could end in heartbreak. Whatever Kate said about Neal, he was a con artist and a thief, and it was Peter’s job to manage him.

El couldn’t undo what she’d done, but it was time to stop. She’d honored her promise to Kate and taken a few small steps to alleviate the worst of Neal’s parole conditions. The rest was up to him. If he was as good as everyone said, and if he accepted Peter’s guiding hand, she was sure he’d manage just fine.


END

Comments

kanarek13: (Default)
[personal profile] kanarek13 wrote:
May. 24th, 2016 10:10 pm (UTC)
Awwwwwwwwwwwww *LOVE* Heeee, oh it's so much fun to think of the events that kinda started it all as having been slightly engineered by our wonderful El :D Heeee :D
china_shop: Smiling June with Neal from the end of 1.10 (WC June)
[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
May. 24th, 2016 11:27 pm (UTC)
*beams* Thanks so much, you! <3333 I always want there to be a logical explanation for June's timely arrival with her perfect Neal-bait in the thrift store. ;-P
leesa_perrie: two cheetahs facing camera and cuddling (Neal Hat)
[personal profile] leesa_perrie wrote:
May. 25th, 2016 07:44 pm (UTC)
perfect Neal-bait

LOL!! I love that term, those suits and hat were sooooo very much Neal-bait!! :D

Edited 2016-05-25 07:45 pm (UTC)
sherylyn: (Default)
[personal profile] sherylyn wrote:
May. 24th, 2016 10:24 pm (UTC)
You know, I could totally imagine El making every one of those arrangements without either Peter or Neal ever knowing, if she'd been aware of the situation ahead of time. I love this!! It's just perfect!! <3 <3 <3

*GLOMPS YOU*
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)
[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
May. 24th, 2016 11:28 pm (UTC)
She likes to organise things and people! It's her job! *g* Thanks so much, you! <3 <3 <3
sherylyn: (Default)
[personal profile] sherylyn wrote:
May. 25th, 2016 01:51 am (UTC)
LOL Exactly!! Plays right into her wheelhouse ;-) Hee!!
[identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com wrote:
May. 24th, 2016 11:35 pm (UTC)
If anyone could secretly organise for everything to work out, it'd be El!
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)
[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
May. 25th, 2016 07:46 am (UTC)
I think so too! Thanks, you! :-D
[identity profile] caseyf123.livejournal.com wrote:
May. 25th, 2016 02:41 am (UTC)
What a great story! I really enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing.
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)
[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
May. 25th, 2016 07:47 am (UTC)
Yay, I'm so glad you liked it. Thanks! :-D
leesa_perrie: two cheetahs facing camera and cuddling (Elizabeth Burke)
[personal profile] leesa_perrie wrote:
May. 25th, 2016 07:42 pm (UTC)
Oh, this is excellent!! I can just imagine El doing this, for exactly these reasons!! :D
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)
[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
May. 26th, 2016 02:52 am (UTC)
Yay, thanks so much! *twirls El*
[identity profile] treonb.livejournal.com wrote:
May. 25th, 2016 09:36 pm (UTC)
This is brilliant, how you turn Neal's 'con' of June upside down. I love how Neal is surrounded by people who care about him and look out for him, even if he doesn't know it.
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)
[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
May. 26th, 2016 03:02 am (UTC)
*beams* So glad it worked for you -- thanks! :-D
[identity profile] travels-in-time.livejournal.com wrote:
May. 27th, 2016 11:36 pm (UTC)
Oh, this just makes SO MUCH SENSE. Much better than the string of coincidences in the pilot.
china_shop: Smiling June with Neal from the end of 1.10 (WC June)
[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
May. 28th, 2016 01:53 am (UTC)
*beams* I much prefer the idea of June being in on it to Neal semi-conning her. ;-) Thanks so much!
[identity profile] reve-silencieux.livejournal.com wrote:
May. 28th, 2016 03:47 am (UTC)
Okay, that was just awesome! I love the scheming (with good intentions) and how you just flipped the pilot on its side.
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)
[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
May. 28th, 2016 10:25 pm (UTC)
Wheee, thank you! *smooshes them all*
[identity profile] maiac.livejournal.com wrote:
May. 28th, 2016 09:38 am (UTC)
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Event management at its best!!!!!



Edited 2016-05-28 09:39 am (UTC)
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)
[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
May. 28th, 2016 10:25 pm (UTC)
Exactly! *beams* Thanks, you! <3
[identity profile] maiac.livejournal.com wrote:
May. 29th, 2016 11:19 am (UTC)
Thinking more about it... If Elizabeth was so involved right at the beginning, it adds irony to her first meeting with Neal.

After Kate's appeal to Elizabeth, Kate's death must have devastated El. But first, when Peter told El how his meeting with Kate went, that must have disturbed her much more than Peter could have realized. (Did El try to track down Kate herself to ask, "What the hell?")

Still, even pondering the tragedy to come, the image of El conspiring with June makes me grin.
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (WC - Peter/Elizabeth Awww)
[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
May. 29th, 2016 09:27 pm (UTC)
If Elizabeth was so involved right at the beginning, it adds irony to her first meeting with Neal.

Yes, it changes the inflexion on "So nice to finally meet you." :-) I think it also explains El's tone of voice at the beginning of 1.10, when Peter says, "June is Neal's landlady," and El says, "Oh, I know who June is." Though that was probably intended as a ref to El turning up at Neal's the week before to encourage him to commit B&E. *g*

I was kind of thinking, as I wrote this, that El would come clean to Peter before 1.07, and that Peter arranged the meet with Kate using the email address Kate gave El.

I wish more of the characters had reacted more strongly to Kate's death. I especially would have liked to see some remorse from Peter for not looking into her predicament more.
[identity profile] alltoseek.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 27th, 2016 03:58 pm (UTC)
I just got into WC earlier this year - I've netflix'd the whole thing, then bought the DVD's and embarked on a rewatch of my own (I am so glad I found wc-rewatch! via the tag on some recent AO3 fics).

All this is to say I have SO MUCH TO SAY and no one (up to now) to say it to, so apologies in advance for spewing all over your fic ~~~

The more I think about it, the more pissed I am at Peter for the Kate scene in 1.07-8. Imagine being Kate, and meeting this guy, who all you've known him from before was that he USED YOU TO TRAP YOUR LOVER WO YOUR KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT. And actually it was your ex, THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DESPERATELY HIDING FROM, and this asshole Feeb leads him right to you.

I mean, don't they teach DV 101 at Quantico? JFC PPL!!!

Peter thinks he knows Neal so well, that Neal's not violent - but nobody knows how someone else is in a romantic relationship until they've been in it with them. And Neal did lie to and manipulate Kate, so likely there was a level of emotional-type abuse, or at least that may have been what Kate felt, and why she hid from Neal.

Anyway, so this Feeb shows up again, and then he has the FUCKING NERVE to ask her IF SHE EVER LOVED NEAL. WTF?!?! Who does this fucker think he is?!?!? How does he have the right to ask her that?

Not to mention, SHE VISITED NEAL EVERY WEEK IN PRISON FOR 3.5 YEARS. That is a FUCK-TON of commitment, right there. Does Peter have any idea what it is like to center your life around the ability to spend a day a week visiting a prison? And do that for years? That is love, right there.

From all this, all Peter gets is that Kate is somehow yanking Neal around, angling for his loot, or something. How does he even figure that? I think Peter is incredibly self-centered (I like Peter, I really do, and I want to like him, but he has got some serious flaws). If Kate is not on the same page as Peter, then she must be The Enemy. Even tho Peter already knows that there's a crooked FBI agent wrapped up in this.

So why would Kate be honest with Peter? She has ZERO reason to trust him (he's NOT trustworthy, in fact, from Kate's POV). Why would she owe him an answer to his question about loving Neal? Does Peter love Neal? If he did would he tell Kate? Peter's let the power of his badge and gun and position seriously skew his perception of his authority in social realms.

I hate how the show has the characters (Peter, even Mozzie) depict Kate as manipulative and controlling, when it seems to me she was walking a knife edge of keeping herself safe and alive, keeping Neal OUT of her trouble (she left clues, but obscure, vague, contradictory ones - Neal could easily at any point have chosen to let her go, to stop chasing her) while also appearing to Fowler/Adler to be working with them, not against them - because they're the ones who can really hurt her, and no one can keep her safe from them.

Kate's a victim. And she's a victim who gets killed. But everyone (except Neal) has already cast her in their minds as ambitious and manipulative so they don't have to mourn her, or re-examine how they judged her. Very self-protective of them. And self-centered.

Also, conveniently, the show allows 2 months to elapse between her death and the next episode. No one loved Kate except Neal, so he's the only one who has to still suffer from her loss. The others can just say, "Oh well. What's done is done," and shrug it off.

Uh, so, yeah, lots of feels. Sorry if this was the wrong place to rant about them!
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (WC - Neal/Peter - Peter looking)
[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
Jun. 28th, 2016 03:02 am (UTC)
All this is to say I have SO MUCH TO SAY and no one (up to now) to say it to, so apologies in advance for spewing all over your fic ~~~

Hee! Hi! *waves* Welcome!!!

who all you've known him from before was that he USED YOU TO TRAP YOUR LOVER WO YOUR KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT.

As far as we know! I've seen some people speculate that Kate might have used the FBI to put Neal safely in prison where Adler couldn't get to him... But yes, obviously a less-than-perfect, messed-up-power-dynamic history there.

From all this, all Peter gets is that Kate is somehow yanking Neal around, angling for his loot, or something. How does he even figure that?

I think Peter is looking at it from the POV where Kate dumped Neal four months before the end of his sentence, knowing he'd then break out to try and find her. I don't think Peter ever takes the idea that Kate's in danger seriously (how could she be? she's hanging out with a Fed! remember, this is the Peter who had to be convinced that a woman could be a murderer *eyeroll* and who hasn't had any run-ins with Fowler yet), so from his POV, it really does look like Kate is messing Neal around, quite possibly playing some kind of long con to get his stash. The fact that it's none of Peter's business is, to him, beside the point.

Even tho Peter already knows that there's a crooked FBI agent wrapped up in this.

Does he, though? How? What am I missing?

But everyone (except Neal) has already cast her in their minds as ambitious and manipulative so they don't have to mourn her, or re-examine how they judged her. Very self-protective of them. And self-centered.

Yeah, I totally agree on that count(and the two-month break). We don't even see Moz or Alex feel the loss, particularly. It was a total, inexcusable fridging to give Neal manpain. Grrrrr!

*reiterates the rec of Penelope Weaving again* (So, so good!)

(I may be going out on an indefensible limb here for Peter. I so want him to be an honestly good (if socially and emotionally clusmy) guy, that I tend to stray into apologetics. La la la...)
[identity profile] alltoseek.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 28th, 2016 07:13 pm (UTC)
I think Peter is looking at it from the POV where Kate dumped Neal four months before the end of his sentence, knowing he'd then break out to try and find her.

That is an awfully big stretch of an assumption to "know" that Neal would break out. And why would Kate need Neal to break out? Why not wait until he is actually free (it's only 4 more months)? A Neal on the run would have so much more trouble doing anything for Kate or anyone else.

If for some reason Kate does want escapee!Neal (from maxsec, no less, and he's stuck there so far) why wait 3 and half years? Why not 2 years, or 2 and half? Or 1 year, even? This so-close-to-end doesn't make a lot of sense.

And Kate was running from Neal for months before he went to prison. If she wanted his loot, why not go back to him then? Or are we assuming something drastic changed for Kate, to make her want now what she didn't before. If something drastic did happen, why would we think it was some positive thing for Kate? It could equally be something negative.

how could she be? she's hanging out with a Fed! remember, this is the Peter who ... hasn't had any run-ins with Fowler yet

But he did - Peter met with Kate after the whole pink diamond frame-up, including after he's found out Fowler bugged his home phone. Maybe technically Fowler hadn't done anything illegal, that Peter could prove, but the diamond frame on Neal and the phone bugging on Peter are both really suspicious.

I so want him to be an honestly good (if socially and emotionally clusmy) guy

God, yes, I know what you mean. I think he's basically a human being tho - including self-centered and tunnel-visioned. He's got a POV, and his POV must be right, because it is his, and he is a Good Guy, with a badge to prove it and everything.

I think Peter is so straightforward that he doesn't get why Kate wouldn't just come right out to Neal about what's going on. Why doesn't she just tell him in person or on the phone wtf is going on.

We figure it's because she herself is a pawn, and is limited in what she can do, being threatened or corralled, or possibly (this is my head-canon theory) she is trying to give Neal an out. If Neal gives up chasing after her, Fowler/Adler won't be able to use her as bait anymore.

But Peter would never believe a conspiracy theory like this. We only do once we see the extents to which Adler is willing to go.

I'm actually more frustrated with Moz - saying the Kate is the "queen" of the board. She's another pawn. And Moz knew Kate from the start.

As far as mourning - again, we have the two-month break; and Moz is not the type to show emotions like that. Especially not around Neal (Moz wouldn't either be vulnerable like that in front of Neal, nor would he lay the burden of his own grief on a grieving Neal, never mind that sharing the grief can be very helpful (men :P))

this is the Peter who had to be convinced that a woman could be a murderer *eyeroll*

...that really is hard to believe. I can't imagine any LEO in the 21st century seriously thinking that way. I think it is yet more evidence of the serious sexism on WC. I love the show, but tho it gives lip service to women and POCs with the casting, there are still loads of sexist and racist issues with it.
china_shop: Neal and Peter crouching, examining evidence (WC - Neal/Peter crouching)
[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2016 07:24 am (UTC)
That is an awfully big stretch of an assumption to "know" that Neal would break out.

Maybe "knowing" is too strong, but this is Neal. A grand gesture is pretty much inevitable.

remember, this is the Peter who ... hasn't had any run-ins with Fowler yet

But he did - Peter met with Kate after the whole pink diamond frame-up, including after he's found out Fowler bugged his home phone.


Oh, right. I'm still in a 1.06 headspace, mea culpa. But Peter still doesn't know Fowler's connected to Kate at this point, I think. Idk, I don't think he's trying very hard to put the pieces together. He just knows that Neal does stupid things for Kate, so he's trying to remove her from the picture so they can get on with their nice shiny new law-abiding lives. That's my reading of it. I don't know that the show is particularly coherent/consistent about it, though.

Fwiw, this conversation inspired my ficlet for 1.06, so thanks for that! :-)

I'm actually more frustrated with Moz - saying the Kate is the "queen" of the board. She's another pawn. And Moz knew Kate from the start.

But Moz doesn't know Kate's a pawn either. All he knows is that there are cryptic messages and this photo -- which is open to interpretation -- and that Neal is more interested in finding her than resuming a stimulating/lucrative life of crime. :-/

And as you say, Moz knew Kate from the start. Maybe he knows something we don't (and that Neal is too blinkered to see). (Not saying I believe that -- just that there's a lot of negative space to fill.)
[identity profile] alltoseek.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2016 03:31 pm (UTC)
I don't think he's trying very hard to put the pieces together. He just knows that Neal does stupid things for Kate, so he's trying to remove her from the picture so they can get on with their nice shiny new law-abiding lives. That's my reading of it.

Yeah, that makes sense. For how 'smart' Peter is about catching Neal (Kate Kate Kate), he then goes on to ignore that info (Kate Kate Kate) once he's caught him :P

I don't know that the show is particularly coherent/consistent about it, though... Maybe [Moz] knows something we don't (and that Neal is too blinkered to see... there's a lot of negative space to fill).

Yep Yep Yep exactly *nods*

The show defnly wants the viewers to think of Kate as some shady sketchy character, all right. Yanking Neal's chain this way and that. Judging by the number of fen who end up disliking her intensely (how she's usually portrayed in fanfic) the show succeeded pretty well on that point :-/

Another excellent point from Penelope Weaving - why Moz isn't as close friends with Kate, the jealousy between them. Maybe explains why Neal doesn't trust either Kate or Moz as much as he comes to trust Peter - because neither Moz nor Kate ever fully trusted the other.

(oh, random though about Penelope Weaving I forgot to mention another time - the parallel so well drawn: the women at home, suffering, hanging on by a thread (literally); while their men are off having fun and adventures!)
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[personal profile] lokifan wrote:
May. 29th, 2016 08:56 am (UTC)
:D This is EXCELLENT and totally El! Including both her kindness and wariness and willingness to be sneaky.
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[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
May. 29th, 2016 09:29 pm (UTC)
*beams* Thanks so much, you! :-D
[identity profile] alltoseek.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 27th, 2016 03:17 pm (UTC)
perfect fic is perfect <3 :D

That coincidental meeting was a bit too coincidental, wasn't it? But El and June knowing each other through any number of various upscale events makes perfect sense :D
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[personal profile] china_shop wrote:
Jun. 28th, 2016 02:49 am (UTC)
Aww, yay, thank you! *beams* I've tried to explain that oh-so-convenient meeting various different ways over the years, but I like the idea of El being the mastermind behind the scenes best of all. ;-)

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